Aussie Community Helpdesk
February 07, 2012, 05:38:17 PM*

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Welcome to Aussie Community Helpdesk!
Advanced search  
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Australia Internet Censorship - For All Australians  (Read 3955 times)
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« on: November 04, 2008, 06:29:15 AM »

Australia Internet Censorship - For All Australians

http://nocleanfeed.com/
Logged

smenkhare
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 850


Ajde Ana!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2008, 09:13:51 AM »

Lets see, i visit sites on firearms and military technology, have friends in the drug capital of the world and read up on how to fly planes.

Oh yeah they'd LOVE me  Tongue

I wonder if things actually get actively monitored or just blocked.
Logged

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be an aisle at Wal-Mart, Not a government agency!!
El camino no es largo cuando amas a quien vas a visitar
Claymores are not filled with yummy candy and it is wrong to tell new soldiers they are.
http://pete2point0.com
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2008, 09:39:11 AM »

There is the real possibility that it will slow net speeds which already suck and more censorship for adults. Funny how the government thinks adults are incapable of determining what they what to read, see and play and using the guise of protecting children from the nastiest of the internet, what other parental responsibilities will the government now take over?
Logged

Jimbob
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1892


Life's not a rehearsal.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2008, 10:13:13 AM »

This is how much we have learnt since May 1933 ....

[attachment deleted by admin]
Logged

“Programmer (noun): An organism that can turn caffeine and alcohol into code.”
smenkhare
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 850


Ajde Ana!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2008, 07:28:30 PM »

This is how much we have learnt since May 1933 ....

no no no...
it's actually 1984:P

the main gripe i have with it is that there is no set definition of offensive so that they can effectively block anything they want.

although we're not as bad as some countries.

U.A.E: VOIP and anything with a .il domain is block as is anything the isp doesn't like
DPRC: can't count the number of things blocked by the wall there
DPRK: one guy got executed for making international phone calls. 'nuff said. Actual internet connections are limited to the elite class and foreign visitors
Logged

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be an aisle at Wal-Mart, Not a government agency!!
El camino no es largo cuando amas a quien vas a visitar
Claymores are not filled with yummy candy and it is wrong to tell new soldiers they are.
http://pete2point0.com
oldyella
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1296



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2008, 08:29:46 PM »

its world wide,,,recived this last night from  canada


http://www.neutrality.ca/
Logged

xp pro - 2 gig ddr memory - AMD 64 X2  - 4600 duel core cpu
c -drive 500 gig sata -- d -drive 160 gig   sata seagates
smenkhare
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 850


Ajde Ana!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »

its world wide,,,recived this last night from  canada


http://www.neutrality.ca/


net neutrality is a seperate issue and pretty much limited to there and the US. (although obama says he will fight against it)
Logged

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be an aisle at Wal-Mart, Not a government agency!!
El camino no es largo cuando amas a quien vas a visitar
Claymores are not filled with yummy candy and it is wrong to tell new soldiers they are.
http://pete2point0.com
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 08:11:57 AM »

its world wide,,,recived this last night from canada


http://www.neutrality.ca/


net neutrality is a seperate issue and pretty much limited to there and the US. (although obama says he will fight against it)

Just to add to that, I don't care what other countries do that's for them to decide what they want, I'm more concerned about here in Australia. You would think as a progressive country we wouldn't be taking these steps backwards.
Logged

neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 08:24:18 AM »

Canberra calls net filter trial



THE federal Government has released details of its long-awaited call for expressions of interest on live internet-service-provider content filtering trials.

The Government is asking all ISPs to participate, as their feedback is important.

Child protection group Child Wise welcomed the news, but a technical group has dubbed the venture a risky business for ISPs.

BigPond, the nation's largest internet service provider, is reviewing the call's terms and conditions before making a decision.

The Government, through the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA), has completed closed lab trials of ISP content filtering conducted by Enex TestLab. The live trial, however, is the first step towards evaluating whether ISP-level content filtering is feasible in Australia.

"The participation of industry is crucial to providing evidence on the real-world impacts for ISP content filtering, including on ISPs and their customers," the government document, released yesterday, says.

ISPs have until December 8 to submit their applications.

The intention of the live pilot - also managed by Enex TestLab - is to assess the impact of ISP content filtering on fixed and mobile internet access devices.

The live pilot is scheduled to begin before the end of the year, but ISPs will be able to start later, preferably before Christmas eve.

"Ideally, ISPs will participate in the pilot for a minimum of six weeks," the document says.

"ISPs that commence earlier will have the discretion to participate in the pilot until its conclusion."

The Government plans to have two streams of filtered content.

The mandatory portion will adhere to a blacklist of thousands of illegal web pages managed by ACMA and an optional clean feed of URLs that would automatically censor content, mostly adult material.

"The Government intends to take an evidence-based approach to content filtering at the ISP level and is committed to working closely with industry to address any concerns, including costs and impacts on internet speeds," the Communications Department said.

"These concerns will be carefully considered during a live pilot of ISP filtering, which will test a range of content filtering solutions in a real-world environment, with the co-operation of ISPs (including mobile telephone operators) and their customers.

"The outcomes of the pilot will inform the Government's decision-making on the ISP filtering framework."

A spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the Government had been working with ISPs to develop the call for expressions of interest.

Telstra, which runs the country's largest ISP, BigPond, has yet to decide whether to participate.

"We're in the midst of reviewing the EOI document," Telstra spokesman Martin Barr said.

Sage-Au, a not-for-profit professional organisation representing system administrators, said participating in the live trial at this stage was a big risk for ISPs.

"It is a very important risk they take, as it is the participants in this trial that are likely to be able to make the biggest difference in discussions after the end of the trial," Sage-Au president Donna Ashelford said. "On the other hand, if the live trial turns out to be a disaster, having their name associated with it - as promised in the EOI document - might be a dual-edged sword."

Ms Ashelford pointed to technical weaknesses with the EOI, one example being that the live pilot would limit users to a maximum of 12Mbps.

"Many users exceed 12Mbps right now. Some national broadband network proposals have involved technology that provides speeds up to 50Mbps.

"How future-proof is the national broadband network supposed to be when filtering systems are virtually guaranteed to bottleneck the resulting network," she said.

Ms Ashelford pointed to a part of the document on ACMA's role: "ACMA is responsible for maintaining the accuracy of the blacklist and the whole framework requires use of the ACMA blacklist as a mandatory requirement.

"But who watches the watchers, and what methods are imagined for addressing inevitable inaccuracies in the ACMA blacklist?"

Sage-Au has also proposed a three-pronged plan to keep the internet safe for families, as it supports any practical initiatives to protect children from viewing objectionable content on the web.

Ms Ashelford said a family friendly ISP program run by the internet industry association lacked awareness and could do with a big push.

She called on the Government to invest more in educating parents on cyber-safety. More funds should be allocated to organisations such as ACMA and the Australian Federal Police to identify and remove illegal content, usually hosted overseas, she said.

Meanwhile, Child Wise chief executive Bernadette McMenamin described the release of the document EOI as "an excellent development".

"It's a fair and inclusive process that ISPs can be part of," she said. "I wouldn't like to see anything but child sexual abuse sites blocked.

"I like the two-tier approach of a mandatory, and opt-in and opt-out mechanism."

However, any form of content filtering would have to accompanied by an extensive education campaign, she said.

source: australianit.news.com.au

Logged

smenkhare
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 850


Ajde Ana!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 05:37:56 PM »

I know Telstra isn't too keen on it.


but why worry? proxies and vpn's for all.
Logged

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be an aisle at Wal-Mart, Not a government agency!!
El camino no es largo cuando amas a quien vas a visitar
Claymores are not filled with yummy candy and it is wrong to tell new soldiers they are.
http://pete2point0.com
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 01:32:05 PM »

I know Telstra isn't too keen on it.


but why worry? proxies and vpn's for all.

Yes but we should have to do that - we're adults and we can decide for ourselves what to see and hear.

and now this:

Greens could block plans for internet filter

 THE Australian Greens won't be supporting plans to introduce compulsory internet filters.

The Federal Government wants to introduce filters to stop people accessing X-rated material, child pornography and inappropriate material.

The plan is being opposed by the internet industry which says it opens the door to censorship of other material, including political views.

"We're very, very concerned that there's going to be a unnecessary clamp down on the internet and it has to be watched," Greens leader Bob Brown told the ABC today.

His colleague Scott Ludlam has been lobbying against the changes.

"He's working very hard with community groups in Australia to oppose the current proposals by the Government," Senator Brown said.

The Government needs the support of all seven crossbench senators  including the five Greens  to have draft laws pass parliament against coalition opposition.

Source: news.com.au
Logged

bella
Regular
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 10:21:21 PM »

I'd be interested to hear what people feel about the govt's proposed mandatory censorship.
To me, it smacks of Big Brother.
Which is not to say I approve of some content that is available.
But surely there are enough programs available for parents to utilise for example.
Also, if it is implemented, I'd be interested to see what the experts here think of it.
Would it be easily hacked for example.
Logged
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 10:42:39 PM »

I moved it here and merge it with the topic that was already started bella.
Logged

smenkhare
Expert at work
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 850


Ajde Ana!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 06:59:16 AM »

But surely there are enough programs available for parents to utilise for example.
Also, if it is implemented, I'd be interested to see what the experts here think of it.
Would it be easily hacked for example.

1. The government has given away free filtering software for over a year, but no one used it (to me that would imply that no one wanted filtering).

2. You wouldn't need to hack it. You could go around it without even trying. Easiest way would be to go to a site like proxy.org/ If you were a bit more technical minded. you could set up a vpn to a computer in a country that doesn't have filtering (US for example) and bypass it that way.

Program is just a big waste of money in my opinion.
Logged

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be an aisle at Wal-Mart, Not a government agency!!
El camino no es largo cuando amas a quien vas a visitar
Claymores are not filled with yummy candy and it is wrong to tell new soldiers they are.
http://pete2point0.com
bella
Regular
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 10:05:50 PM »

I moved it here and merge it with the topic that was already started bella.


Thanks Neonwizard...I should have looked.

It sure is a case of Big Brother, I reckon.
Logged
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 10:34:26 PM »

No worries bella, I'm glad your interested in the discussion.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 05:27:42 PM by neonwizard » Logged

bella
Regular
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2008, 05:05:22 PM »

I worries bella, I'm glad your interested in the discussion.

Most definitely interested, Neonwizard. I think that the concept of freedom is at stake here, and even though the following article does say both parties are for it, the coalition did back away from the idea, once they got some feedback.

"Five slowed internet speeds by at least 20 per cent. And two of them crippled speeds by more than 75 per cent."

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/neutering-the-net-is-about-repression-not-protection-20081129-6nej.html?page=-1

"The Government has developed a secret list of 10,000 unwanted sites (there are only 1300 on the current blacklist)."

Who decides what is unwanted?Huh?







« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 05:09:41 PM by bella » Logged
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2008, 05:45:22 PM »

Quote
Who decides what is unwanted?Huh?

That is exactly it in a nut shell. I can see a select group of people on a board who all has an agenda and imposes there views on all Australians, seems freedom is being denied in OZ under the guise of protecting children.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for protecting the kids out there but that's a parent job and responsibility, this is the kind of thing you sign up to when you have kids. It is very easy to stop kids viewing inappropriate material on the net, sit with them! Don't have the time then don't bring a PC into your home.

End off my Rant lol
Logged

colx
Regular
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 238


amd 64+2duel core 6000 win 7/64 adsl2 chimei 22 wi


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2008, 06:51:18 PM »

i agree  neo it might be alright with this government but if and when we get another what sort of political things will we be allowed to read i cant see this going ahead if people are forwarned  nip it in the bud is the best way colx
Logged
neonwizard
Management
Guru
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 5103



View Profile WWW
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2008, 07:03:47 PM »

Neutering the net is about repression, not protection

IT SEEMS like only yesterday that the country was prosperous and the Labor Party was going to make everyone's internet faster.

But now the Federal Government's great broadband gift is floundering in the waves of the financial crisis and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is pushing ahead with an internet filter that will dramatically slow Australian internet speeds.

The Australian Communications and Media Authority conducted tests earlier this year on six filters that could be imposed on internet service providers. Five slowed internet speeds by at least 20 per cent. And two of them crippled speeds by more than 75 per cent.

And this is before we look at their habit of falsely blocking legal sites. A 1999 trial of internet filtering (censoring the internet has long been a bipartisan goal) even accidentally blocked some government websites. Filters have improved since then but, as ACMA's test revealed, it is a certainty that some sites will be incorrectly blocked  let's be honest, the technology to efficiently and effectively censor the internet isn't quite ready yet.

Nevertheless, technology has a habit of getting better, given enough time. It's more than just technical issues that makes internet censorship a terrible idea.

Last year, Mr Conroy said that: "If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd Labor Government is going to disagree." Fair enough. But to claim the filter is designed to eliminate child pornography is too tricksy by half.

After all, child pornography is already illegal. And imposing an elaborate filter on every Australian internet connection is unlikely to have a significant impact on the child pornography trade  as everyone who has sent an email or tried to download a song is aware, there is a bit more to the internet than static web pages. Child pornography isn't just sitting on openly accessible websites waiting to be downloaded  from what we know about it, it is traded clandestinely by abhorrent individuals. It takes police work and forensics to uncover those sorts of criminals. The dark recesses of the internet won't be disturbed at all by the new filter.

Who knows, perhaps accusing the entire country of being potential child pornographers polls really well in telephone surveys?

Nevertheless, the biggest problem with the filter isn't technical and it isn't its likely failure to reduce child pornography.

The biggest problem is a little word that Mr Conroy slipped out in the middle of a Senate committee hearing. The pilot filter program will not only target the existing blacklisted sites, most of which are child pornography, but will also target "unwanted" content, whatever that means.

The Government has developed a secret list of 10,000 unwanted sites (there are only 1300 on the current blacklist).

But what the Communications Minister wants on the internet and others want on the internet are likely to be two very different things. Nick Xenophon doesn't want online gambling. Stephen Fielding doesn't want hardcore pornography and "fetish" material  if Mr Fielding gets to wield his senatorial power over the filter system, expect shares in www.feet.com to slump. If the Government gets the power to control internet content, legal pornography, gambling and violent images will all be candidates for online censorship.

Of course, whenever the censorship of legal material is raised  with its massive implications for freedom of speech in Australia  the Government immediately tries to bring the discussion back to child pornography.

It's a bit embarrassing that we're discussing censoring the internet at all. What does it say about Australian politics that the reaction of both major parties to such a liberating technology is to demagogue about its dangers? Our politicians rave about evils online more than any other liberal democracy. As a consequence, the Federal Government's proposal is far more extensive than any other internet censorship scheme outside the totalitarian world.

There is a certain element of Australian political culture that sees censorship and banning as the panacea to almost every social and policy question. But wowserism dressed up in concerned rhetoric about the sanctity of childhood is still wowserism.

Chris Berg is a research fellow with the Institute of Public Affairs and editor of IPA Review.

Source: www.theage.com.au
Logged

Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

B l a c k - R a i n V.2 by C r i p ~ Powered by SMF 1.1.15 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines XHTML | CSS   

Page created in 0.195 seconds with 19 queries.